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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.06 23:19:00 -
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Who asked you to give up "trade routes and industry" exactly?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
If you can't find the answer in the first post, there you have it now in a lot fewer words.
The first post in this thread bore absolutely no recognition to any demands for surrender we have ever placed before you. Perhaps you should do what Sakura suggests?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum
Your offer is insulting when combined with your groups open ended logic and assures us of nothing.
The act of clearing a path for your friends is creating a dependancy culture, the very act freely giving aid to anyone is an act of dependancy culture.
You spout off ideals but put little thought into the full implications of what they mean.
Is the idea that you belong to a society that you enjoy a memetic meme that must be purged through violence?
Will you declare war if we help another citizen in need?
Will you attack should we decide to help the Federation in the area when their goals meet with ours?
I ask these guestions because your alliance supposedly supports freespace yet you have allied with groups that restrict access to sectors of Placid by blocking gates (Black Rabbits) and others that attempt to bar access to areas of space based on imagined culture (Intaki Union).
As your organization seems to give itself so much freedom in it's affiliations can I assume you would extend these to us?
Your groups current surrender terms simply appear to be the work of tyrants that wish to impose their will on others but they are the work of rational tyrants.
When you factor in the ramblings of the Star Fractions general memberbase it seems to be the work of someone with multiple personalities.
I think this illustrates why the "war" has dragged on beyond CYI's ability to undock and fight it. Crausaum you are a deeply confused man. At the moment we're talking about an unconditional surrender on your part to allow your alliance to try and gather some tiny iota of capability in a period of rebuilding. Thats all. Were aren't "offering" you things. This is not a market stall and you aren't haggling over the price of bread. You have one choice to make now and thats: either formally surrender to us - or refuse to surrender and listen to us declare a complete victory over your forces regardless.
If you choose the former and provide a respectful surrender document you will be allowed to rebuild and conduct your industrial and trade interests as independent capsule pilots without further involvement of Star Fraction vessels.
If you choose the latter and refuse to surrender then we'll declare complete victory in any case while maintaining an ongoing casus beli that will allow us to return at any point in the future to hit you again when your alliance shows signs of life.
Thats your choice. Stop wriggling and make it.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.10 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/02/2007 18:44:12
Originally by: Durok Torn
You (and IU) have never smashed us Tom. In this war, SF was all the muscle. Every encounter I had with IU prior to SF's involvment results in a victory for us. Not that we didn't loose a few ships to, it is inevitable in war, but before SF came in with their overwhelming numbers we were having a very enjoyable time against you.
I'm sure we'll do it again some time. I look forward to it. Lets see if you have the guts to stand up to us in something approaching even numbers instead of riding on the back of a huge alliance.
I think you people are overstating this "overwhelming numbers" thing. On paper your alliance outnumbered ours by 2.5 to 1 at the beginning. Your real problem was lack of leadership and coordination. Your leaders decided you'd lost before we even fired a shot at you and that defeatist attitude led to the bulk of your alliance cringing in docks and separated across the cluster rather than presenting organised fleets. Perhaps its the case that your alliance roster was overstuffed with innactive pilots and combat ineffective industrial juniors or something - but from our perspective you had the numbers - you just lacked any form of combat leadership or bravery in battle. Many times you could have killed our vessels but you fled before reaching a decisive advantage. Many times you had the numbers on us - and full superiority in fleet tonnage but all it took was a single loss to send you fleeing and breaking your fleet to the four winds.
Now the war is almost over I'm more inclined to critique your performance in even terms - but really, if you insist in telling yourselves you simply lost because you were "outnumbered" you aren't going to learn anything useful from this. You need leaders who lead from the front and aren't afraid to suffer loss. You need commitment and energy and most of all - you need to understand that evasion and hiding does nothing other than teach you how to lose.
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